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		<title>By: A La</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffreymorgenthaler.com/2008/ask-your-bartender-buybacks/comment-page-2/#comment-426897</link>
		<dc:creator>A La</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a bartender, first and foremost, but I am also a consumer. When I go out, I make it a point to not let the bartender know that I am their peer, because then I am sure to get a free round, even multiple rounds. I find that about 50% of the time, after I&#039;ve drank about 4 drinks, the 5th one is &#039;on the house&#039;. 

Now let&#039;s talk about ownership and inventory. At one of my bars, I did the inventory and cost control. I&#039;d like to clear something up here. If you&#039;re a bar owner and counting your loss for the day in association to a buyback, you&#039;re not a very good businessman. The bar industry is an industry of return customers and word of mouth. You did not &#039;lose&#039; revenue by giving away one drink, you lost cost. What you have gained is the potential for that person to come in on another occasion, hopefully with a friend or friends, telling others that your establishment is doing it right, clearly making up for your cost &#039;investment&#039;. This is the cost of doing business. In this business, it takes money to make money. If you can&#039;t control your costs below 30% then you&#039;re doing it wrong, whether it be your price point or you have too much inventory and not moving it fast enough. That 30 dollar bottle of Goose should make you 150 dollars.. So giving away a shot(.75 cents @ cost) may make you 40 bucks the next time. 
If you don&#039;t think these numbers are completely 100% accurate you&#039;re right, but the principle can&#039;t be argued: give a little to gain a lot. 

As far as calling an individual a douchebag for giving away a drink or two, you&#039;re way off the mark. &quot;Robbing them blind&quot; is too strong too. Do you know that this bartender does this everyday, or for every patron? If two drinks is robbing somewhere blind then I feel bad for that bottom line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a bartender, first and foremost, but I am also a consumer. When I go out, I make it a point to not let the bartender know that I am their peer, because then I am sure to get a free round, even multiple rounds. I find that about 50% of the time, after I&#8217;ve drank about 4 drinks, the 5th one is &#8216;on the house&#8217;. </p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s talk about ownership and inventory. At one of my bars, I did the inventory and cost control. I&#8217;d like to clear something up here. If you&#8217;re a bar owner and counting your loss for the day in association to a buyback, you&#8217;re not a very good businessman. The bar industry is an industry of return customers and word of mouth. You did not &#8216;lose&#8217; revenue by giving away one drink, you lost cost. What you have gained is the potential for that person to come in on another occasion, hopefully with a friend or friends, telling others that your establishment is doing it right, clearly making up for your cost &#8216;investment&#8217;. This is the cost of doing business. In this business, it takes money to make money. If you can&#8217;t control your costs below 30% then you&#8217;re doing it wrong, whether it be your price point or you have too much inventory and not moving it fast enough. That 30 dollar bottle of Goose should make you 150 dollars.. So giving away a shot(.75 cents @ cost) may make you 40 bucks the next time.<br />
If you don&#8217;t think these numbers are completely 100% accurate you&#8217;re right, but the principle can&#8217;t be argued: give a little to gain a lot. </p>
<p>As far as calling an individual a douchebag for giving away a drink or two, you&#8217;re way off the mark. &#8220;Robbing them blind&#8221; is too strong too. Do you know that this bartender does this everyday, or for every patron? If two drinks is robbing somewhere blind then I feel bad for that bottom line.</p>
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		<title>By: Kendyl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kendyl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recognize the power of buybacks in retaining customers and treating friends, so I participate, but I buy them myself. Sometimes it does result in a couple extra bucks as a tip, which offsets my out of pocket cost. Btu I understand that establishing a relationship with a new customer or maintaining relationships with regulars is more valuable to me than one $12 cocktail here and there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recognize the power of buybacks in retaining customers and treating friends, so I participate, but I buy them myself. Sometimes it does result in a couple extra bucks as a tip, which offsets my out of pocket cost. Btu I understand that establishing a relationship with a new customer or maintaining relationships with regulars is more valuable to me than one $12 cocktail here and there.</p>
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		<title>By: Cutter</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffreymorgenthaler.com/2008/ask-your-bartender-buybacks/comment-page-2/#comment-192997</link>
		<dc:creator>Cutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off...any good bar/resto worth its salt will always have a promo tab/budget.

Secondly...any good bartender worth their salt knows this is a valuable tool for not only maintaining, but growing the business. It&#039;s does not exist for you to flirt with chicks or get your friends gassed on the cheap. It&#039;s a way of rewarding regulars and expressing to new customers that you value their patronage.

Thirdly...to the assholes think that bartenders/servers are overpaid needs not only a headcheck, but to actually spend some time working in industry. If everyone coming out of high school had to do a 3-6 month stint in a busy resto/bar they&#039;d never complain again and be a hell of a lot more respectful to boot. You try working an 6-8 hour shift in a bar where people or 3 or 4 deep for hours on end and you&#039;re constantly in the weeds dealing with drunken, obnoxious assholes, people yelling, snapping, waving, whistling, arguing about bills, etc. etc. etc. and still trying to ensure everyone has a good time. Try it sometime.

The fact is most people lack the skill, co-ordination, grace and testicular fortitude that it takes to do this night after night, week after week, year after year. Do not doubt that everyone in the hospitality field - and I mean real professionals, not just students passing some time - earn every penny they make and then some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off&#8230;any good bar/resto worth its salt will always have a promo tab/budget.</p>
<p>Secondly&#8230;any good bartender worth their salt knows this is a valuable tool for not only maintaining, but growing the business. It&#8217;s does not exist for you to flirt with chicks or get your friends gassed on the cheap. It&#8217;s a way of rewarding regulars and expressing to new customers that you value their patronage.</p>
<p>Thirdly&#8230;to the assholes think that bartenders/servers are overpaid needs not only a headcheck, but to actually spend some time working in industry. If everyone coming out of high school had to do a 3-6 month stint in a busy resto/bar they&#8217;d never complain again and be a hell of a lot more respectful to boot. You try working an 6-8 hour shift in a bar where people or 3 or 4 deep for hours on end and you&#8217;re constantly in the weeds dealing with drunken, obnoxious assholes, people yelling, snapping, waving, whistling, arguing about bills, etc. etc. etc. and still trying to ensure everyone has a good time. Try it sometime.</p>
<p>The fact is most people lack the skill, co-ordination, grace and testicular fortitude that it takes to do this night after night, week after week, year after year. Do not doubt that everyone in the hospitality field &#8211; and I mean real professionals, not just students passing some time &#8211; earn every penny they make and then some.</p>
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		<title>By: jimimac</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimimac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 23:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tgicdf,
I guess if you want to clean portable toilets for minimum wage 40 hours a week that is your choice but to call some one who makes 4 times as much money a week as you do while only &quot;working&quot; 30 hours a week an &quot;imbecile&quot; really indicates your failure to understand economic reality. Most people agree that the more money you make while investing the least amount of time is really a benefit to ones lifestyle.  So I am not sure if the lawyer who doesn&#039;t as much as a bartender makes after investing in a college education and working their legal secretaries fingers to the bone, made the right choice or is a very good attorney.  Oh and by the way I graduated from college and after researching the job market came to the conclusion that I could make more money tending bar at a golf course, where by the way I get free golf and equipment at cost. In conclusion Portable toilet cleaners are a valued part of our society and I am sure they deserve every bit of the minimum wage they earn for their forty hour work week, and it is a good use for that law degree they spent all that time and money on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tgicdf,<br />
I guess if you want to clean portable toilets for minimum wage 40 hours a week that is your choice but to call some one who makes 4 times as much money a week as you do while only &#8220;working&#8221; 30 hours a week an &#8220;imbecile&#8221; really indicates your failure to understand economic reality. Most people agree that the more money you make while investing the least amount of time is really a benefit to ones lifestyle.  So I am not sure if the lawyer who doesn&#8217;t as much as a bartender makes after investing in a college education and working their legal secretaries fingers to the bone, made the right choice or is a very good attorney.  Oh and by the way I graduated from college and after researching the job market came to the conclusion that I could make more money tending bar at a golf course, where by the way I get free golf and equipment at cost. In conclusion Portable toilet cleaners are a valued part of our society and I am sure they deserve every bit of the minimum wage they earn for their forty hour work week, and it is a good use for that law degree they spent all that time and money on.</p>
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		<title>By: tgicdf</title>
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		<dc:creator>tgicdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 15:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bartenders are over-rated period. Standing high and mighty like we owe them a living. Let the cheap=assed owner pay them a decent wage instead of expecting hand-outs. Get a real job and see what it&#039;s like to have to earn a living. They just want to work(ha!) 30 hrs. a week and make $1500 and not pay tax on it which is equal to about 100K/yr. Many lawyers don&#039;t make that and most of you never attended college. It&#039;s not an entitlement program imbecile brain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bartenders are over-rated period. Standing high and mighty like we owe them a living. Let the cheap=assed owner pay them a decent wage instead of expecting hand-outs. Get a real job and see what it&#8217;s like to have to earn a living. They just want to work(ha!) 30 hrs. a week and make $1500 and not pay tax on it which is equal to about 100K/yr. Many lawyers don&#8217;t make that and most of you never attended college. It&#8217;s not an entitlement program imbecile brain!</p>
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		<title>By: ~Bree</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffreymorgenthaler.com/2008/ask-your-bartender-buybacks/comment-page-2/#comment-62870</link>
		<dc:creator>~Bree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never been a bartender anywhere but I talk to quite a few. I don&#039;t actually drink a lot either but when I go out I bring lots of company. We usually show up a little early and go home really late. There is a particular pub I go to, mostly because they serve me free dinner and non-alcoholic beverages while I wait for my friends to finish drinking. Honestly, I like to save a few bucks so if this particular pub didn&#039;t do what they did I could just as easily take my friends elsewhere. Am I wrong to accept free food when the only drinks I buy are for the bartender? Even when guys buy me drinks all four of the bartenders know to serve me a shot of water instead of alcohol and keep the money as a tip. Am I cheating the pub?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never been a bartender anywhere but I talk to quite a few. I don&#8217;t actually drink a lot either but when I go out I bring lots of company. We usually show up a little early and go home really late. There is a particular pub I go to, mostly because they serve me free dinner and non-alcoholic beverages while I wait for my friends to finish drinking. Honestly, I like to save a few bucks so if this particular pub didn&#8217;t do what they did I could just as easily take my friends elsewhere. Am I wrong to accept free food when the only drinks I buy are for the bartender? Even when guys buy me drinks all four of the bartenders know to serve me a shot of water instead of alcohol and keep the money as a tip. Am I cheating the pub?</p>
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		<title>By: angelhair</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffreymorgenthaler.com/2008/ask-your-bartender-buybacks/comment-page-2/#comment-61579</link>
		<dc:creator>angelhair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say you have been drinking at a place for a few hours and have been served by a couple of bartenders.  You get your bill and a drink or two are not on it.  How do you know whether this is a mistake by the bartender or a comp?  Do bills usually list a comped drink?  

I mean, if it&#039;s a place that you like, you don&#039;t want to cheat them or shortchange them.

P.S. I just left the amount that the drinks would have cost in addition to the tip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say you have been drinking at a place for a few hours and have been served by a couple of bartenders.  You get your bill and a drink or two are not on it.  How do you know whether this is a mistake by the bartender or a comp?  Do bills usually list a comped drink?  </p>
<p>I mean, if it&#8217;s a place that you like, you don&#8217;t want to cheat them or shortchange them.</p>
<p>P.S. I just left the amount that the drinks would have cost in addition to the tip.</p>
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		<title>By: Damian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as Comped/bought back drinks, yes, I include the price in my tip- always have, it&#039;s a throwback to the days I spent in the local Sheriff&#039;s Academy and was instructed to never take any food or drink for free; Always pay, and if the tariff is refused, leave it in addition- it removes all taint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as Comped/bought back drinks, yes, I include the price in my tip- always have, it&#8217;s a throwback to the days I spent in the local Sheriff&#8217;s Academy and was instructed to never take any food or drink for free; Always pay, and if the tariff is refused, leave it in addition- it removes all taint.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question - 

Is it customary to include the price of the buyback drink in the tip?  I usually do. 

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question &#8211; </p>
<p>Is it customary to include the price of the buyback drink in the tip?  I usually do. </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: M4rtyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>M4rtyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a good customer should be thanked with an occasional treat. Maybe a drink, maybe a few nibbles, a complementary cup of coffee or whatever, but this should only be done with the knowledge and approval of the owner. Otherwise, is plain stealing. You want to offer your friend a drink? do it outside work, with money out of your pocket, not your boss&#039;s. 
Perhaps if your boss stops losing money because you are giving drinks away he would be able to afford that raise you&#039;ve been asking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a good customer should be thanked with an occasional treat. Maybe a drink, maybe a few nibbles, a complementary cup of coffee or whatever, but this should only be done with the knowledge and approval of the owner. Otherwise, is plain stealing. You want to offer your friend a drink? do it outside work, with money out of your pocket, not your boss&#8217;s.<br />
Perhaps if your boss stops losing money because you are giving drinks away he would be able to afford that raise you&#8217;ve been asking for.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian12566</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian12566</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I kind of know how you feel about knowing a bartender equals free drinks. I am a cop and my friends seem to think I can get them out of every ticket they get for driving like morons. They also feel the need to tell me about every parking ticket they get for double parking. I feel your pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I kind of know how you feel about knowing a bartender equals free drinks. I am a cop and my friends seem to think I can get them out of every ticket they get for driving like morons. They also feel the need to tell me about every parking ticket they get for double parking. I feel your pain.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Morgenthaler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Morgenthaler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 01:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex - No, not all buybacks are outright theft.  But what I was responding to was this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;One bartender who I was friends with would not let me pay for my drinks, ever. He said they were on him.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;One day when it was very slow in the bar I asked him if he could let me pay for my drinks, because he was losing $14 for the two drinks that I had. The owner was present and heard me say this. Thee next time I saw him he was absolutely furious with me and said that this got him in trouble (reprimanded).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, that&#039;s definitely theft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex &#8211; No, not all buybacks are outright theft.  But what I was responding to was this:</p>
<blockquote><p>One bartender who I was friends with would not let me pay for my drinks, ever. He said they were on him.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>One day when it was very slow in the bar I asked him if he could let me pay for my drinks, because he was losing $14 for the two drinks that I had. The owner was present and heard me say this. Thee next time I saw him he was absolutely furious with me and said that this got him in trouble (reprimanded).</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s definitely theft.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Newhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Newhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 00:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait 

a minute. Not all buybacks are outright theft.

At the bar I worked for a long time, we had a certain amount allowed for comps, for good customers. Bosses were aware of that.

It&#039;s a bit ridiculous to compare the convenient store to the bar. Anyone who has worked the bar knows that an extra drink, or a round of shots can turn a walk ins into a loyal customers or just keep your customers a little longer to keep your party going.

For instance, at my bar, there were those girls, 6 gorgeous girls, who&#039;d come to the bar every week, often more than once a week. They would always bring a nice ambiance at the bar, create a party. Of course, those girls always had shots on the house and the two most regular ones would always get at least one free drink.

It&#039;s not theft. When it was one of these girl&#039;s birthday, they manage to make a guy spend 700$ buying them and the whole bar shots. They always ordered a few drinks, never asked or expected for anything to be free and always tipped marvelously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait </p>
<p>a minute. Not all buybacks are outright theft.</p>
<p>At the bar I worked for a long time, we had a certain amount allowed for comps, for good customers. Bosses were aware of that.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit ridiculous to compare the convenient store to the bar. Anyone who has worked the bar knows that an extra drink, or a round of shots can turn a walk ins into a loyal customers or just keep your customers a little longer to keep your party going.</p>
<p>For instance, at my bar, there were those girls, 6 gorgeous girls, who&#8217;d come to the bar every week, often more than once a week. They would always bring a nice ambiance at the bar, create a party. Of course, those girls always had shots on the house and the two most regular ones would always get at least one free drink.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not theft. When it was one of these girl&#8217;s birthday, they manage to make a guy spend 700$ buying them and the whole bar shots. They always ordered a few drinks, never asked or expected for anything to be free and always tipped marvelously.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ebrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 03:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who gets free drinks from bartender friends, waived cover charges from DJ friends, and free movies from theater manager friends, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s wrong to go someplace expecting a free drink.  Frankly, my friend&#039;s bar is way, way too overcrowded and I would never go there if I wasn&#039;t going to get something free (which the manager is okay with).  So I hope you guys aren&#039;t rude to your friends when they ask if they&#039;ll get a free drink if they stop by - it&#039;s a reasonable question to ask.

Most of the time I&#039;m getting something free, I would never go to that place if I wasn&#039;t.  That&#039;s really not hurting the business, especially if I also pay for something or leave a big tip.

I work at a video game company, and I give really cheap games to my friends.  Most jobs have benefits, not just bartenders.  Now, if a bartender is giving free drinks solely because he expects a big tip, it&#039;d be the equivalent of me marking up my cheap games to get a profit on them.  That&#039;s not cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who gets free drinks from bartender friends, waived cover charges from DJ friends, and free movies from theater manager friends, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s wrong to go someplace expecting a free drink.  Frankly, my friend&#8217;s bar is way, way too overcrowded and I would never go there if I wasn&#8217;t going to get something free (which the manager is okay with).  So I hope you guys aren&#8217;t rude to your friends when they ask if they&#8217;ll get a free drink if they stop by &#8211; it&#8217;s a reasonable question to ask.</p>
<p>Most of the time I&#8217;m getting something free, I would never go to that place if I wasn&#8217;t.  That&#8217;s really not hurting the business, especially if I also pay for something or leave a big tip.</p>
<p>I work at a video game company, and I give really cheap games to my friends.  Most jobs have benefits, not just bartenders.  Now, if a bartender is giving free drinks solely because he expects a big tip, it&#8217;d be the equivalent of me marking up my cheap games to get a profit on them.  That&#8217;s not cool.</p>
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		<title>By: BJ Hudson</title>
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		<dc:creator>BJ Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 12:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a patron of many a establishment I can say that a bartender&#039;s attitude and the over-all type of crowd far more influances my choice to be a regular. If the bartender doesn&#039;t show much interest in his job and theres cussing, too loud music, and the constant air of a fight about to break out, I&#039;m done. I often get frustrated that I can&#039;t seem to find a bar in my immediate area thats not either ran like an old folks home where anyone under 40 is frowned or being managed about like a frat house. A free drink is a perk, but no where approaches timely service with a smile (and no risk of being hit with a beer bottle)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a patron of many a establishment I can say that a bartender&#8217;s attitude and the over-all type of crowd far more influances my choice to be a regular. If the bartender doesn&#8217;t show much interest in his job and theres cussing, too loud music, and the constant air of a fight about to break out, I&#8217;m done. I often get frustrated that I can&#8217;t seem to find a bar in my immediate area thats not either ran like an old folks home where anyone under 40 is frowned or being managed about like a frat house. A free drink is a perk, but no where approaches timely service with a smile (and no risk of being hit with a beer bottle)</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 02:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion!  Jeffrey, I really appreciate the way your blog focuses on social aspects of bartending alongside the whole mixology thing.  Both are integral parts of the bartender&#039;s job, but few blogs seem to balance their weights as well as yours.  Thanks for that!

Regarding the topic at hand, I have only been out west once, but on that occasion I chanced to visit the Zig Zag Cafe in Seattle.  Murray Stenson was absolutely incredible behind the bar - great drinks, but his hospitality was the factor that really made the evening.  In the same vein as what angelhair has said, he had a penchant for offering free drams of the odder bottles behind the bar - an Oregon whiskey, Aperol, pimento dram...

I don&#039;t think this sort of hospitality is only the domain of legendary bars and bartenders.  Murray might have cost the bar a few bucks in the short run, but he turned that whole evening from a mere social situation into an adventure.  Zig Zag let us explore weirder drinks than we&#039;d have ever ordered, and I&#039;ll remember the place forever as a place of discovery, a place that brought strangers together through collective exploration of an unfamiliar taste.  In this case, I&#039;m thinking about the pimento dram, which incidentally led to six or seven people ordering a Northern Spy in just a few minutes.  Letting people sample odd bottles in this case directly resulted in massive sales of a solid drink.

But that&#039;s just from one side of the bar.  How do bartenders or managers feel about this?  How is it regulated?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion!  Jeffrey, I really appreciate the way your blog focuses on social aspects of bartending alongside the whole mixology thing.  Both are integral parts of the bartender&#8217;s job, but few blogs seem to balance their weights as well as yours.  Thanks for that!</p>
<p>Regarding the topic at hand, I have only been out west once, but on that occasion I chanced to visit the Zig Zag Cafe in Seattle.  Murray Stenson was absolutely incredible behind the bar &#8211; great drinks, but his hospitality was the factor that really made the evening.  In the same vein as what angelhair has said, he had a penchant for offering free drams of the odder bottles behind the bar &#8211; an Oregon whiskey, Aperol, pimento dram&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this sort of hospitality is only the domain of legendary bars and bartenders.  Murray might have cost the bar a few bucks in the short run, but he turned that whole evening from a mere social situation into an adventure.  Zig Zag let us explore weirder drinks than we&#8217;d have ever ordered, and I&#8217;ll remember the place forever as a place of discovery, a place that brought strangers together through collective exploration of an unfamiliar taste.  In this case, I&#8217;m thinking about the pimento dram, which incidentally led to six or seven people ordering a Northern Spy in just a few minutes.  Letting people sample odd bottles in this case directly resulted in massive sales of a solid drink.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s just from one side of the bar.  How do bartenders or managers feel about this?  How is it regulated?</p>
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		<title>By: angelhair</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffreymorgenthaler.com/2008/ask-your-bartender-buybacks/comment-page-2/#comment-41160</link>
		<dc:creator>angelhair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had plenty of bartenders pour me an ounce or so of some obscure liquor or something that was new to me, just so that I could taste it.  Is it wrong for the bartender to do that?

Often these are not inexpensive liquors.  Is a bartender stealing from his boss if he does this?  Do you ever do this?

I am by no means a regular anywhere, but I think I tip well.  BTW this happens to me most often at Clyde and at Teardrop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had plenty of bartenders pour me an ounce or so of some obscure liquor or something that was new to me, just so that I could taste it.  Is it wrong for the bartender to do that?</p>
<p>Often these are not inexpensive liquors.  Is a bartender stealing from his boss if he does this?  Do you ever do this?</p>
<p>I am by no means a regular anywhere, but I think I tip well.  BTW this happens to me most often at Clyde and at Teardrop.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffreymorgenthaler.com/2008/ask-your-bartender-buybacks/comment-page-2/#comment-40811</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

I got online to look for some good pointer to revamp my dull server/bartender resume.  Through chance, I stumbled onto your awesome blog and have found some really great ideas.  I got on your site at 5:20pm and it is now 6:30pm!  I haven&#039;t even started on my revamp.  I think you owe me a drink for all that time. :)  Anyway, I have you bookmarked now and I&#039;ll be taking your tips to heart.  I&#039;m in P-town as well and I am  looking for bartending work now that the bars are smoke-free.  Thanks again and wish me luck!  I&#039;m competing with the the influx of new transplants, laid off professionals, and real estate agents.

Cheers,

Lisa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>I got online to look for some good pointer to revamp my dull server/bartender resume.  Through chance, I stumbled onto your awesome blog and have found some really great ideas.  I got on your site at 5:20pm and it is now 6:30pm!  I haven&#8217;t even started on my revamp.  I think you owe me a drink for all that time. :)  Anyway, I have you bookmarked now and I&#8217;ll be taking your tips to heart.  I&#8217;m in P-town as well and I am  looking for bartending work now that the bars are smoke-free.  Thanks again and wish me luck!  I&#8217;m competing with the the influx of new transplants, laid off professionals, and real estate agents.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Lisa</p>
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		<title>By: The Intoxicologist</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffreymorgenthaler.com/2008/ask-your-bartender-buybacks/comment-page-2/#comment-40588</link>
		<dc:creator>The Intoxicologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great reply to a question that could just as easily have been &quot;why isn&#039;t it ok to steal from the boss?&quot;  When I bartended and wanted to thank my customers and buy them a drink I made sure they saw the money come out of my tip jar and go directly to the register.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great reply to a question that could just as easily have been &#8220;why isn&#8217;t it ok to steal from the boss?&#8221;  When I bartended and wanted to thank my customers and buy them a drink I made sure they saw the money come out of my tip jar and go directly to the register.</p>
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		<title>By: clara</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffreymorgenthaler.com/2008/ask-your-bartender-buybacks/comment-page-2/#comment-40562</link>
		<dc:creator>clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 05:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bottle of jim beam rye:  $14
big bottle of angustura bitters:  $10
bottle of noilly prat vermouth: $9

feeling when liquor store clerk nods approvingly and says &quot;classic&quot;: priceless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bottle of jim beam rye:  $14<br />
big bottle of angustura bitters:  $10<br />
bottle of noilly prat vermouth: $9</p>
<p>feeling when liquor store clerk nods approvingly and says &#8220;classic&#8221;: priceless</p>
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		<title>By: Cuco</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffreymorgenthaler.com/2008/ask-your-bartender-buybacks/comment-page-2/#comment-40530</link>
		<dc:creator>Cuco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jeff,
Bartenders like the Ann friend make the bad reputation with all the bartenders must to fight nowadays.
If one of my crew have this behavior I&#039;ll Fire him immediately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jeff,<br />
Bartenders like the Ann friend make the bad reputation with all the bartenders must to fight nowadays.<br />
If one of my crew have this behavior I&#8217;ll Fire him immediately.</p>
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		<title>By: jimimac</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffreymorgenthaler.com/2008/ask-your-bartender-buybacks/comment-page-2/#comment-40420</link>
		<dc:creator>jimimac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giving away something that doesn&#039;t belong to you is theft pure and simple. Unless the bar has a policy regarding &quot;buybacks&quot; the bartender should pay for the drinks out of his/her own pocket.
When I go to other bars where I know the bartender I don&#039;t like nor do I expect free or discounted drinks. I would hope those same bartenders feel the way I do when they come to my bar.  Bartenders of all people should realize the consequences involved with giving free alcoholic beverages (which by the way is illegal in OR).  I explain to new bartenders about the concept of stealing drinks this way, 
1 drink @ $5 given away means we have lost $5 in revenue for the day 
and we have to pay for the cost of the drink which is another $1.25 
the bar also has to pay to replace the cost of the drink which is another $1.25. 
In order to make up for the liquor cost of that 1 free drink 
we have to sell 3-4 drinks at regular price plus to pay for the replacement of that one drink we have to sell 3-4 more drinks at regular price. 
So  it cost the bar $5.00 in lost revenue plus another $2.50 in replacement cost. 
Plus we have to sell another $35.00 to $40.00 in drinks to maintain our liquor costs.
While this example is exaggerated and extreme it will get the point across that a free drink is not just a free drink from the Bar owners perspective.
just limin,
jimimac</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giving away something that doesn&#8217;t belong to you is theft pure and simple. Unless the bar has a policy regarding &#8220;buybacks&#8221; the bartender should pay for the drinks out of his/her own pocket.<br />
When I go to other bars where I know the bartender I don&#8217;t like nor do I expect free or discounted drinks. I would hope those same bartenders feel the way I do when they come to my bar.  Bartenders of all people should realize the consequences involved with giving free alcoholic beverages (which by the way is illegal in OR).  I explain to new bartenders about the concept of stealing drinks this way,<br />
1 drink @ $5 given away means we have lost $5 in revenue for the day<br />
and we have to pay for the cost of the drink which is another $1.25<br />
the bar also has to pay to replace the cost of the drink which is another $1.25.<br />
In order to make up for the liquor cost of that 1 free drink<br />
we have to sell 3-4 drinks at regular price plus to pay for the replacement of that one drink we have to sell 3-4 more drinks at regular price.<br />
So  it cost the bar $5.00 in lost revenue plus another $2.50 in replacement cost.<br />
Plus we have to sell another $35.00 to $40.00 in drinks to maintain our liquor costs.<br />
While this example is exaggerated and extreme it will get the point across that a free drink is not just a free drink from the Bar owners perspective.<br />
just limin,<br />
jimimac</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bar I work at actually has a promo tab that a manager will comp every night up to 3% of our sales. So not all bartenders are duche bags when they give you one on the house, it&#039;s still a sign of our apreciation to the guest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bar I work at actually has a promo tab that a manager will comp every night up to 3% of our sales. So not all bartenders are duche bags when they give you one on the house, it&#8217;s still a sign of our apreciation to the guest.</p>
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		<title>By: josh C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry j.c., I put qotes around the bought to stress the fact that I &quot;bought&quot; the drink. taking the money from your tip jar, or even better wallet, walking to the till and paying for it outright. there&#039;s no classier move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry j.c., I put qotes around the bought to stress the fact that I &#8220;bought&#8221; the drink. taking the money from your tip jar, or even better wallet, walking to the till and paying for it outright. there&#8217;s no classier move.</p>
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		<title>By: John Claude</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh C.

I&#039;m confused. Did you actually pay for the drink out of your tip jar because you put quotes around &quot;bought&quot;. Is this a way to make them feel guilty and receive &quot;the best tips&quot;? Strange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh C.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m confused. Did you actually pay for the drink out of your tip jar because you put quotes around &#8220;bought&#8221;. Is this a way to make them feel guilty and receive &#8220;the best tips&#8221;? Strange.</p>
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